Peoples' thoughts on Amazon AWS OpsWorks?


#1

“Since AWS OpsWorks uses Chef recipes, you can leverage hundreds of
community-built configurations such as PostgreSQL, Nginx, and Solr.”

This is apparently based on Scalarium, from AWS’ Peritor acquisition.
Interesting discussion at ycombinator:
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5243196

Haven’t really dug into it yet. Surprised nothing from OpsCode about it.


Denis Haskin


#2

They had a twitter post about it.

No press release that I’ve seen yet :frowning:

Best Regards,
JJ Asghar
e: jj.asghar@peopleadmin.com | c: 512.619.0722 | o: 512.977.5876

From: Denis Haskin <denis@constantorbit.commailto:denis@constantorbit.com>
Reply-To: "chef@lists.opscode.commailto:chef@lists.opscode.com" <chef@lists.opscode.commailto:chef@lists.opscode.com>
Date: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 10:20 AM
To: chef <chef@lists.opscode.commailto:chef@lists.opscode.com>
Subject: [chef] Peoples’ thoughts on Amazon AWS OpsWorks?

“Since AWS OpsWorks uses Chef recipes, you can leverage hundreds of community-built configurations such as PostgreSQL, Nginx, and Solr.”

This is apparently based on Scalarium, from AWS’ Peritor acquisition. Interesting discussion at ycombinator: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5243196

Haven’t really dug into it yet. Surprised nothing from OpsCode about it.


Denis Haskin


#3

I’m curious to hear about how it works for people too. Hopefully you really
get to use Chef in ways it was intended, not just some sorta-based-on-Chef
workflow. I fear it could be like when I looked at RightScale a while back
and “uses Chef” meant you could kinda run a really old version of chef-solo
wrapped up in some custom stuff and that’s it. Then again, higher
expectations of AWS are probably justified.

KC

On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 8:33 AM, JJ Asghar jj.asghar@peopleadmin.comwrote:

They had a twitter post about it.

No press release that I’ve seen yet :frowning:

Best Regards,
JJ Asghar
e: jj.asghar@peopleadmin.com | c: 512.619.0722 | o: 512.977.5876

From: Denis Haskin denis@constantorbit.com
Reply-To: "chef@lists.opscode.com" chef@lists.opscode.com
Date: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 10:20 AM
To: chef chef@lists.opscode.com
Subject: [chef] Peoples’ thoughts on Amazon AWS OpsWorks?

“Since AWS OpsWorks uses Chef recipes, you can leverage hundreds of
community-built configurations such as PostgreSQL, Nginx, and Solr.”

https://aws.amazon.com/opsworks/

This is apparently based on Scalarium, from AWS’ Peritor acquisition.
Interesting discussion at ycombinator:
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5243196

Haven’t really dug into it yet. Surprised nothing from OpsCode about it.


Denis Haskin


#4

Just to allay people’s fears and maybe stem the tide of speculation, we’ve worked with Amazon off-and-on a few times and have some involvement with OpsWorks.
There will probably be more visible press soon, as we get closer to #ChefConf 2013 (http://chefconf.opscode.com/). I’ll make sure the press and marketing team shed some light on this.

Cheers,
Chris

From: JJ Asghar <jj.asghar@peopleadmin.commailto:jj.asghar@peopleadmin.com>
Reply-To: "chef@lists.opscode.commailto:chef@lists.opscode.com" <chef@lists.opscode.commailto:chef@lists.opscode.com>
Date: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 8:33 AM
To: "chef@lists.opscode.commailto:chef@lists.opscode.com" <chef@lists.opscode.commailto:chef@lists.opscode.com>
Subject: [chef] Re: Peoples’ thoughts on Amazon AWS OpsWorks?

They had a twitter post about it.

No press release that I’ve seen yet :frowning:

Best Regards,
JJ Asghar
e: jj.asghar@peopleadmin.commailto:jj.asghar@peopleadmin.com | c: 512.619.0722 | o: 512.977.5876

From: Denis Haskin <denis@constantorbit.commailto:denis@constantorbit.com>
Reply-To: "chef@lists.opscode.commailto:chef@lists.opscode.com" <chef@lists.opscode.commailto:chef@lists.opscode.com>
Date: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 10:20 AM
To: chef <chef@lists.opscode.commailto:chef@lists.opscode.com>
Subject: [chef] Peoples’ thoughts on Amazon AWS OpsWorks?

“Since AWS OpsWorks uses Chef recipes, you can leverage hundreds of community-built configurations such as PostgreSQL, Nginx, and Solr.”

This is apparently based on Scalarium, from AWS’ Peritor acquisition. Interesting discussion at ycombinator: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5243196

Haven’t really dug into it yet. Surprised nothing from OpsCode about it.


Denis Haskin


#5

OpsWorks is so similar to what we ended up building for ourselves using
cloudformation and chef-solo that I wish we’d waited. We already have a
practice of downloading a small tarball that chef-solo will use to download
the appropriate bundle and run the roles we’ve defined there, including
registering with a chef server. This is really promising.

On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Christopher Brown cb@opscode.com wrote:

Just to allay people’s fears and maybe stem the tide of speculation,
we’ve worked with Amazon off-and-on a few times and have some involvement
with OpsWorks.
There will probably be more visible press soon, as we get closer to
#ChefConf 2013 (http://chefconf.opscode.com/). I’ll make sure the press
and marketing team shed some light on this.

Cheers,
Chris

From: JJ Asghar jj.asghar@peopleadmin.com
Reply-To: "chef@lists.opscode.com" chef@lists.opscode.com
Date: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 8:33 AM
To: "chef@lists.opscode.com" chef@lists.opscode.com
Subject: [chef] Re: Peoples’ thoughts on Amazon AWS OpsWorks?

They had a twitter post about it.

No press release that I’ve seen yet :frowning:

Best Regards,
JJ Asghar
e: jj.asghar@peopleadmin.com | c: 512.619.0722 | o: 512.977.5876

From: Denis Haskin denis@constantorbit.com
Reply-To: "chef@lists.opscode.com" chef@lists.opscode.com
Date: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 10:20 AM
To: chef chef@lists.opscode.com
Subject: [chef] Peoples’ thoughts on Amazon AWS OpsWorks?

“Since AWS OpsWorks uses Chef recipes, you can leverage hundreds of
community-built configurations such as PostgreSQL, Nginx, and Solr.”

https://aws.amazon.com/opsworks/

This is apparently based on Scalarium, from AWS’ Peritor acquisition.
Interesting discussion at ycombinator:
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5243196

Haven’t really dug into it yet. Surprised nothing from OpsCode about it.


Denis Haskin


#6

We have a similar workflow, but using Hosted Chef. OpsWorks looks very
interesting, but I’m not sure if it’s a replacement for Jenkins+CFN+Chef
the way we’ve set things up. I’ll be playing more with it when it’s
available, that’s for sure!

-john

On Feb 20, 2013, at 8:51 AM, Peter Norton pn+chef-list@knewton.com wrote:

OpsWorks is so similar to what we ended up building for ourselves using
cloudformation and chef-solo that I wish we’d waited. We already have a
practice of downloading a small tarball that chef-solo will use to download
the appropriate bundle and run the roles we’ve defined there, including
registering with a chef server. This is really promising.

On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Christopher Brown cb@opscode.com wrote:

Just to allay people’s fears and maybe stem the tide of speculation,
we’ve worked with Amazon off-and-on a few times and have some involvement
with OpsWorks.
There will probably be more visible press soon, as we get closer to
#ChefConf 2013 (http://chefconf.opscode.com/). I’ll make sure the press
and marketing team shed some light on this.

Cheers,
Chris

From: JJ Asghar jj.asghar@peopleadmin.com
Reply-To: "chef@lists.opscode.com" chef@lists.opscode.com
Date: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 8:33 AM
To: "chef@lists.opscode.com" chef@lists.opscode.com
Subject: [chef] Re: Peoples’ thoughts on Amazon AWS OpsWorks?

They had a twitter post about it.

No press release that I’ve seen yet :frowning:

Best Regards,
JJ Asghar
e: jj.asghar@peopleadmin.com | c: 512.619.0722 | o: 512.977.5876

From: Denis Haskin denis@constantorbit.com
Reply-To: "chef@lists.opscode.com" chef@lists.opscode.com
Date: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 10:20 AM
To: chef chef@lists.opscode.com
Subject: [chef] Peoples’ thoughts on Amazon AWS OpsWorks?

“Since AWS OpsWorks uses Chef recipes, you can leverage hundreds of
community-built configurations such as PostgreSQL, Nginx, and Solr.”

https://aws.amazon.com/opsworks/

This is apparently based on Scalarium, from AWS’ Peritor acquisition.
Interesting discussion at ycombinator:
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5243196

Haven’t really dug into it yet. Surprised nothing from OpsCode about it.


Denis Haskin


#7

Interesting, I’m definitely curious to hear more about it. I do a lot of
AMI-based bootstrapping of Chef and it would be very interesting if there
was a more integrated solution where I could assign the role at say… boot
time, or via autoscaling/etc.


~~ StormeRider ~~

“Every world needs its heroes […] They inspire us to be better than we
are. And they protect from the darkness that’s just around the corner.”

(from Smallville Season 6x1: “Zod”)

On why I hate the phrase “that’s so lame”… http://bit.ly/Ps3uSS

On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 9:06 AM, John Martinez john@johnmartinez.comwrote:

We have a similar workflow, but using Hosted Chef. OpsWorks looks very
interesting, but I’m not sure if it’s a replacement for Jenkins+CFN+Chef
the way we’ve set things up. I’ll be playing more with it when it’s
available, that’s for sure!

-john

On Feb 20, 2013, at 8:51 AM, Peter Norton pn+chef-list@knewton.com
wrote:

OpsWorks is so similar to what we ended up building for ourselves using
cloudformation and chef-solo that I wish we’d waited. We already have a
practice of downloading a small tarball that chef-solo will use to download
the appropriate bundle and run the roles we’ve defined there, including
registering with a chef server. This is really promising.

On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Christopher Brown cb@opscode.comwrote:

Just to allay people’s fears and maybe stem the tide of speculation,
we’ve worked with Amazon off-and-on a few times and have some involvement
with OpsWorks.
There will probably be more visible press soon, as we get closer to
#ChefConf 2013 (http://chefconf.opscode.com/). I’ll make sure the press
and marketing team shed some light on this.

Cheers,
Chris

From: JJ Asghar jj.asghar@peopleadmin.com
Reply-To: "chef@lists.opscode.com" chef@lists.opscode.com
Date: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 8:33 AM
To: "chef@lists.opscode.com" chef@lists.opscode.com
Subject: [chef] Re: Peoples’ thoughts on Amazon AWS OpsWorks?

They had a twitter post about it.

No press release that I’ve seen yet :frowning:

Best Regards,
JJ Asghar
e: jj.asghar@peopleadmin.com | c: 512.619.0722 | o: 512.977.5876

From: Denis Haskin denis@constantorbit.com
Reply-To: "chef@lists.opscode.com" chef@lists.opscode.com
Date: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 10:20 AM
To: chef chef@lists.opscode.com
Subject: [chef] Peoples’ thoughts on Amazon AWS OpsWorks?

“Since AWS OpsWorks uses Chef recipes, you can leverage hundreds of
community-built configurations such as PostgreSQL, Nginx, and Solr.”

https://aws.amazon.com/opsworks/

This is apparently based on Scalarium, from AWS’ Peritor acquisition.
Interesting discussion at ycombinator:
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5243196

Haven’t really dug into it yet. Surprised nothing from OpsCode about
it.


Denis Haskin


#8

According to the amazon pages, this is built against
https://github.com/peritor/chef/commits/scalarium-0.8-stable
which appears to be a fork of chef that hasn’t been updated since the
middle of 2010.

I’m just going to take a gamble and say that
a) most of my company’s custom cookbooks won’t work without serious
modifications
b) things like ‘search’ and ‘environments’ and ‘platform_family’ will be
entirely foreign

oh yeah, and it doesn’t support centos at all, so there’s another big chunk
of work.

i think i’ll stick with the nice shiny chef 11, thanks very much :smiley:

On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Morgan Blackthorne
stormerider@gmail.comwrote:

Interesting, I’m definitely curious to hear more about it. I do a lot of
AMI-based bootstrapping of Chef and it would be very interesting if there
was a more integrated solution where I could assign the role at say… boot
time, or via autoscaling/etc.


~~ StormeRider ~~

“Every world needs its heroes […] They inspire us to be better than we
are. And they protect from the darkness that’s just around the corner.”

(from Smallville Season 6x1: “Zod”)

On why I hate the phrase “that’s so lame”… http://bit.ly/Ps3uSS

On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 9:06 AM, John Martinez john@johnmartinez.comwrote:

We have a similar workflow, but using Hosted Chef. OpsWorks looks very
interesting, but I’m not sure if it’s a replacement for Jenkins+CFN+Chef
the way we’ve set things up. I’ll be playing more with it when it’s
available, that’s for sure!

-john

On Feb 20, 2013, at 8:51 AM, Peter Norton pn+chef-list@knewton.com
wrote:

OpsWorks is so similar to what we ended up building for ourselves using
cloudformation and chef-solo that I wish we’d waited. We already have a
practice of downloading a small tarball that chef-solo will use to download
the appropriate bundle and run the roles we’ve defined there, including
registering with a chef server. This is really promising.

On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Christopher Brown cb@opscode.comwrote:

Just to allay people’s fears and maybe stem the tide of speculation,
we’ve worked with Amazon off-and-on a few times and have some involvement
with OpsWorks.
There will probably be more visible press soon, as we get closer to
#ChefConf 2013 (http://chefconf.opscode.com/). I’ll make sure the
press and marketing team shed some light on this.

Cheers,
Chris

From: JJ Asghar jj.asghar@peopleadmin.com
Reply-To: "chef@lists.opscode.com" chef@lists.opscode.com
Date: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 8:33 AM
To: "chef@lists.opscode.com" chef@lists.opscode.com
Subject: [chef] Re: Peoples’ thoughts on Amazon AWS OpsWorks?

They had a twitter post about it.

No press release that I’ve seen yet :frowning:

Best Regards,
JJ Asghar
e: jj.asghar@peopleadmin.com | c: 512.619.0722 | o: 512.977.5876

From: Denis Haskin denis@constantorbit.com
Reply-To: "chef@lists.opscode.com" chef@lists.opscode.com
Date: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 10:20 AM
To: chef chef@lists.opscode.com
Subject: [chef] Peoples’ thoughts on Amazon AWS OpsWorks?

“Since AWS OpsWorks uses Chef recipes, you can leverage hundreds of
community-built configurations such as PostgreSQL, Nginx, and Solr.”

https://aws.amazon.com/opsworks/

This is apparently based on Scalarium, from AWS’ Peritor acquisition.
Interesting discussion at ycombinator:
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5243196

Haven’t really dug into it yet. Surprised nothing from OpsCode about
it.


Denis Haskin


#9

Hi,

I confirm it’s running a 0.9.15.3 fork of chef from Peritor, last updated 2
years ago.
Deployed cookbooks from Opscode looks quite dated too (think of a 0.9
Apache cookbook for example).

I’m still experimenting but am somewhat disappointed for my usage.

For those who wonder, you get

  • an equivalent of a standard chef-repo,
  • versionned by date and symlinked to “current” for usage.
  • a Gemfile for the hellish deps for such old software reqs
  • about 35 cookbooks, some AWS custom, many not
  • ruby1.8 ro run chef-solo (ie.: ruby1.8
    /opt/aws/opsworks/current/bin/chef-solo -j
    /var/lib/aws/opsworks/chef/2013-02-21-13-58-55-01.json -c
    /opt/aws/opsworks/current/conf/solo.rb
    )

Cheers,
Stef

Stephane Jourdan sjourdan@greenalto.com
Green Alto / 10, Rue Chaptal / 34000 Montpellier, FR
+33(0)411 934 340 / +33(0)684 531 618

On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Jesse Campbell hikeit@gmail.com wrote:

According to the amazon pages, this is built against
https://github.com/peritor/chef/commits/scalarium-0.8-stable
which appears to be a fork of chef that hasn’t been updated since the
middle of 2010.

I’m just going to take a gamble and say that
a) most of my company’s custom cookbooks won’t work without serious
modifications
b) things like ‘search’ and ‘environments’ and ‘platform_family’ will be
entirely foreign

oh yeah, and it doesn’t support centos at all, so there’s another big
chunk of work.

i think i’ll stick with the nice shiny chef 11, thanks very much :smiley:

On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Morgan Blackthorne <
stormerider@gmail.com> wrote:

Interesting, I’m definitely curious to hear more about it. I do a lot of
AMI-based bootstrapping of Chef and it would be very interesting if there
was a more integrated solution where I could assign the role at say… boot
time, or via autoscaling/etc.


~~ StormeRider ~~

“Every world needs its heroes […] They inspire us to be better than we
are. And they protect from the darkness that’s just around the corner.”

(from Smallville Season 6x1: “Zod”)

On why I hate the phrase “that’s so lame”… http://bit.ly/Ps3uSS

On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 9:06 AM, John Martinez john@johnmartinez.comwrote:

We have a similar workflow, but using Hosted Chef. OpsWorks looks very
interesting, but I’m not sure if it’s a replacement for Jenkins+CFN+Chef
the way we’ve set things up. I’ll be playing more with it when it’s
available, that’s for sure!

-john

On Feb 20, 2013, at 8:51 AM, Peter Norton pn+chef-list@knewton.com
wrote:

OpsWorks is so similar to what we ended up building for ourselves using
cloudformation and chef-solo that I wish we’d waited. We already have a
practice of downloading a small tarball that chef-solo will use to download
the appropriate bundle and run the roles we’ve defined there, including
registering with a chef server. This is really promising.

On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Christopher Brown cb@opscode.comwrote:

Just to allay people’s fears and maybe stem the tide of speculation,
we’ve worked with Amazon off-and-on a few times and have some involvement
with OpsWorks.
There will probably be more visible press soon, as we get closer to
#ChefConf 2013 (http://chefconf.opscode.com/). I’ll make sure the
press and marketing team shed some light on this.

Cheers,
Chris

From: JJ Asghar jj.asghar@peopleadmin.com
Reply-To: "chef@lists.opscode.com" chef@lists.opscode.com
Date: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 8:33 AM
To: "chef@lists.opscode.com" chef@lists.opscode.com
Subject: [chef] Re: Peoples’ thoughts on Amazon AWS OpsWorks?

They had a twitter post about it.

No press release that I’ve seen yet :frowning:

Best Regards,
JJ Asghar
e: jj.asghar@peopleadmin.com | c: 512.619.0722 | o: 512.977.5876

From: Denis Haskin denis@constantorbit.com
Reply-To: "chef@lists.opscode.com" chef@lists.opscode.com
Date: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 10:20 AM
To: chef chef@lists.opscode.com
Subject: [chef] Peoples’ thoughts on Amazon AWS OpsWorks?

“Since AWS OpsWorks uses Chef recipes, you can leverage hundreds of
community-built configurations such as PostgreSQL, Nginx, and Solr.”

https://aws.amazon.com/opsworks/

This is apparently based on Scalarium, from AWS’ Peritor acquisition.
Interesting discussion at ycombinator:
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5243196

Haven’t really dug into it yet. Surprised nothing from OpsCode about
it.


Denis Haskin


#10

We plan to work with Amazon on this support, but expressing your opinions and concerns directly to them would help as well. If you want to see better & more modern Chef support in OpsWork, let Amazon know on their AWS forums and we’ll circle back with them.

Thanks,
Chris

From: Stéphane Jourdan <sjourdan@greenalto.commailto:sjourdan@greenalto.com>
Reply-To: "chef@lists.opscode.commailto:chef@lists.opscode.com" <chef@lists.opscode.commailto:chef@lists.opscode.com>
Date: Thursday, February 21, 2013 7:00 AM
To: "chef@lists.opscode.commailto:chef@lists.opscode.com" <chef@lists.opscode.commailto:chef@lists.opscode.com>
Subject: [chef] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Peoples’ thoughts on Amazon AWS OpsWorks?

Hi,

I confirm it’s running a 0.9.15.3 fork of chef from Peritor, last updated 2 years ago.
Deployed cookbooks from Opscode looks quite dated too (think of a 0.9 Apache cookbook for example).

I’m still experimenting but am somewhat disappointed for my usage.

For those who wonder, you get

  • an equivalent of a standard chef-repo,
  • versionned by date and symlinked to “current” for usage.
  • a Gemfile for the hellish deps for such old software reqs
  • about 35 cookbooks, some AWS custom, many not
  • ruby1.8 ro run chef-solo (ie.: ruby1.8 /opt/aws/opsworks/current/bin/chef-solo -j /var/lib/aws/opsworks/chef/2013-02-21-13-58-55-01.json -c /opt/aws/opsworks/current/conf/solo.rb)

Cheers,
Stef

Stephane Jourdan <sjourdan@greenalto.commailto:sjourdan@greenalto.com>
Green Alto / 10, Rue Chaptal / 34000 Montpellier, FR
+33(0)411 934 340 / +33(0)684 531 618

On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Jesse Campbell <hikeit@gmail.commailto:hikeit@gmail.com> wrote:
According to the amazon pages, this is built against https://github.com/peritor/chef/commits/scalarium-0.8-stable
which appears to be a fork of chef that hasn’t been updated since the middle of 2010.

I’m just going to take a gamble and say that
a) most of my company’s custom cookbooks won’t work without serious modifications
b) things like ‘search’ and ‘environments’ and ‘platform_family’ will be entirely foreign

oh yeah, and it doesn’t support centos at all, so there’s another big chunk of work.

i think i’ll stick with the nice shiny chef 11, thanks very much :smiley:

On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Morgan Blackthorne <stormerider@gmail.commailto:stormerider@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting, I’m definitely curious to hear more about it. I do a lot of AMI-based bootstrapping of Chef and it would be very interesting if there was a more integrated solution where I could assign the role at say… boot time, or via autoscaling/etc.


~~ StormeRider ~~

“Every world needs its heroes […] They inspire us to be better than we are. And they protect from the darkness that’s just around the corner.”

(from Smallville Season 6x1: “Zod”)

On why I hate the phrase “that’s so lame”… http://bit.ly/Ps3uSS

On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 9:06 AM, John Martinez <john@johnmartinez.commailto:john@johnmartinez.com> wrote:
We have a similar workflow, but using Hosted Chef. OpsWorks looks very interesting, but I’m not sure if it’s a replacement for Jenkins+CFN+Chef the way we’ve set things up. I’ll be playing more with it when it’s available, that’s for sure!

-john

On Feb 20, 2013, at 8:51 AM, Peter Norton <pn+chef-list@knewton.commailto:pn+chef-list@knewton.com> wrote:

OpsWorks is so similar to what we ended up building for ourselves using cloudformation and chef-solo that I wish we’d waited. We already have a practice of downloading a small tarball that chef-solo will use to download the appropriate bundle and run the roles we’ve defined there, including registering with a chef server. This is really promising.

On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Christopher Brown <cb@opscode.commailto:cb@opscode.com> wrote:
Just to allay people’s fears and maybe stem the tide of speculation, we’ve worked with Amazon off-and-on a few times and have some involvement with OpsWorks.
There will probably be more visible press soon, as we get closer to #ChefConf 2013 (http://chefconf.opscode.com/). I’ll make sure the press and marketing team shed some light on this.

Cheers,
Chris

From: JJ Asghar <jj.asghar@peopleadmin.commailto:jj.asghar@peopleadmin.com>
Reply-To: "chef@lists.opscode.commailto:chef@lists.opscode.com" <chef@lists.opscode.commailto:chef@lists.opscode.com>
Date: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 8:33 AM
To: "chef@lists.opscode.commailto:chef@lists.opscode.com" <chef@lists.opscode.commailto:chef@lists.opscode.com>
Subject: [chef] Re: Peoples’ thoughts on Amazon AWS OpsWorks?

They had a twitter post about it.

No press release that I’ve seen yet :frowning:

Best Regards,
JJ Asghar
e: jj.asghar@peopleadmin.commailto:jj.asghar@peopleadmin.com | c: 512.619.0722tel:512.619.0722 | o: 512.977.5876tel:512.977.5876

From: Denis Haskin <denis@constantorbit.commailto:denis@constantorbit.com>
Reply-To: "chef@lists.opscode.commailto:chef@lists.opscode.com" <chef@lists.opscode.commailto:chef@lists.opscode.com>
Date: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 10:20 AM
To: chef <chef@lists.opscode.commailto:chef@lists.opscode.com>
Subject: [chef] Peoples’ thoughts on Amazon AWS OpsWorks?

“Since AWS OpsWorks uses Chef recipes, you can leverage hundreds of community-built configurations such as PostgreSQL, Nginx, and Solr.”

This is apparently based on Scalarium, from AWS’ Peritor acquisition. Interesting discussion at ycombinator: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5243196

Haven’t really dug into it yet. Surprised nothing from OpsCode about it.


Denis Haskin


#11

That would be great, I think a more modern OpsWorks and a much better
integration with Chef (hosted or not) could be a real winner or at least
interest another kind of users than the ones already currently using Chef
or even EC2.

So I’ll take a look at what’s said on the AWS forums !

Stephane

On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 4:10 PM, Christopher Brown cb@opscode.com wrote:

We plan to work with Amazon on this support, but expressing your
opinions and concerns directly to them would help as well. If you want to
see better & more modern Chef support in OpsWork, let Amazon know on their
AWS forums and we’ll circle back with them.

Thanks,
Chris

From: Stéphane Jourdan sjourdan@greenalto.com
Reply-To: "chef@lists.opscode.com" chef@lists.opscode.com
Date: Thursday, February 21, 2013 7:00 AM
To: "chef@lists.opscode.com" chef@lists.opscode.com
Subject: [chef] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Peoples’ thoughts on Amazon
AWS OpsWorks?

Hi,

I confirm it’s running a 0.9.15.3 fork of chef from Peritor, last updated
2 years ago.
Deployed cookbooks from Opscode looks quite dated too (think of a 0.9
Apache cookbook for example).

I’m still experimenting but am somewhat disappointed for my usage.

For those who wonder, you get

  • an equivalent of a standard chef-repo,
  • versionned by date and symlinked to “current” for usage.
  • a Gemfile for the hellish deps for such old software reqs
  • about 35 cookbooks, some AWS custom, many not
  • ruby1.8 ro run chef-solo (ie.: ruby1.8
    /opt/aws/opsworks/current/bin/chef-solo -j
    /var/lib/aws/opsworks/chef/2013-02-21-13-58-55-01.json -c
    /opt/aws/opsworks/current/conf/solo.rb
    )

Cheers,
Stef

Stephane Jourdan sjourdan@greenalto.com
Green Alto / 10, Rue Chaptal / 34000 Montpellier, FR
+33(0)411 934 340 / +33(0)684 531 618

On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Jesse Campbell hikeit@gmail.com wrote:

According to the amazon pages, this is built against
https://github.com/peritor/chef/commits/scalarium-0.8-stable
which appears to be a fork of chef that hasn’t been updated since the
middle of 2010.

I’m just going to take a gamble and say that
a) most of my company’s custom cookbooks won’t work without serious
modifications
b) things like ‘search’ and ‘environments’ and ‘platform_family’ will
be entirely foreign

oh yeah, and it doesn’t support centos at all, so there’s another big
chunk of work.

i think i’ll stick with the nice shiny chef 11, thanks very much :smiley:

On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Morgan Blackthorne <
stormerider@gmail.com> wrote:

Interesting, I’m definitely curious to hear more about it. I do a lot of
AMI-based bootstrapping of Chef and it would be very interesting if there
was a more integrated solution where I could assign the role at say… boot
time, or via autoscaling/etc.


~~ StormeRider ~~

“Every world needs its heroes […] They inspire us to be better than we
are. And they protect from the darkness that’s just around the corner.”

(from Smallville Season 6x1: “Zod”)

On why I hate the phrase “that’s so lame”… http://bit.ly/Ps3uSS

On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 9:06 AM, John Martinez john@johnmartinez.comwrote:

We have a similar workflow, but using Hosted Chef. OpsWorks looks
very interesting, but I’m not sure if it’s a replacement for
Jenkins+CFN+Chef the way we’ve set things up. I’ll be playing more with it
when it’s available, that’s for sure!

-john

On Feb 20, 2013, at 8:51 AM, Peter Norton pn+chef-list@knewton.com
wrote:

OpsWorks is so similar to what we ended up building for ourselves
using cloudformation and chef-solo that I wish we’d waited. We already
have a practice of downloading a small tarball that chef-solo will use to
download the appropriate bundle and run the roles we’ve defined there,
including registering with a chef server. This is really promising.

On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Christopher Brown cb@opscode.comwrote:

Just to allay people’s fears and maybe stem the tide of speculation,
we’ve worked with Amazon off-and-on a few times and have some involvement
with OpsWorks.
There will probably be more visible press soon, as we get closer to
#ChefConf 2013 (http://chefconf.opscode.com/). I’ll make sure the
press and marketing team shed some light on this.

Cheers,
Chris

From: JJ Asghar jj.asghar@peopleadmin.com
Reply-To: "chef@lists.opscode.com" chef@lists.opscode.com
Date: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 8:33 AM
To: "chef@lists.opscode.com" chef@lists.opscode.com
Subject: [chef] Re: Peoples’ thoughts on Amazon AWS OpsWorks?

They had a twitter post about it.

No press release that I’ve seen yet :frowning:

Best Regards,
JJ Asghar
e: jj.asghar@peopleadmin.com | c: 512.619.0722 | o: 512.977.5876

From: Denis Haskin denis@constantorbit.com
Reply-To: "chef@lists.opscode.com" chef@lists.opscode.com
Date: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 10:20 AM
To: chef chef@lists.opscode.com
Subject: [chef] Peoples’ thoughts on Amazon AWS OpsWorks?

“Since AWS OpsWorks uses Chef recipes, you can leverage hundreds of
community-built configurations such as PostgreSQL, Nginx, and Solr.”

https://aws.amazon.com/opsworks/

This is apparently based on Scalarium, from AWS’ Peritor acquisition.
Interesting discussion at ycombinator:
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5243196

Haven’t really dug into it yet. Surprised nothing from OpsCode
about it.


Denis Haskin


#12

Good to hear that. We also think there’s lots of opportunity here, and the current distance between the Chef underlying OpsWorks (older version based on solo) and modern server-based Chef (Hosted or otherwise) could be confusing and certainly isn’t as powerful. We’d like to raise that bar for everyone. Let me know if you need any help if you engage in discussion on the forums.

Cheers,
Chris

From: Stéphane Jourdan <sjourdan@greenalto.commailto:sjourdan@greenalto.com>
Reply-To: "chef@lists.opscode.commailto:chef@lists.opscode.com" <chef@lists.opscode.commailto:chef@lists.opscode.com>
Date: Thursday, February 21, 2013 7:18 AM
To: "chef@lists.opscode.commailto:chef@lists.opscode.com" <chef@lists.opscode.commailto:chef@lists.opscode.com>
Subject: [chef] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Peoples’ thoughts on Amazon AWS OpsWorks?

That would be great, I think a more modern OpsWorks and a much better integration with Chef (hosted or not) could be a real winner or at least interest another kind of users than the ones already currently using Chef or even EC2.

So I’ll take a look at what’s said on the AWS forums !

Stephane

On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 4:10 PM, Christopher Brown <cb@opscode.commailto:cb@opscode.com> wrote:
We plan to work with Amazon on this support, but expressing your opinions and concerns directly to them would help as well. If you want to see better & more modern Chef support in OpsWork, let Amazon know on their AWS forums and we’ll circle back with them.

Thanks,
Chris

From: Stéphane Jourdan <sjourdan@greenalto.commailto:sjourdan@greenalto.com>
Reply-To: "chef@lists.opscode.commailto:chef@lists.opscode.com" <chef@lists.opscode.commailto:chef@lists.opscode.com>
Date: Thursday, February 21, 2013 7:00 AM
To: "chef@lists.opscode.commailto:chef@lists.opscode.com" <chef@lists.opscode.commailto:chef@lists.opscode.com>
Subject: [chef] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Peoples’ thoughts on Amazon AWS OpsWorks?

Hi,

I confirm it’s running a 0.9.15.3 fork of chef from Peritor, last updated 2 years ago.
Deployed cookbooks from Opscode looks quite dated too (think of a 0.9 Apache cookbook for example).

I’m still experimenting but am somewhat disappointed for my usage.

For those who wonder, you get

  • an equivalent of a standard chef-repo,
  • versionned by date and symlinked to “current” for usage.
  • a Gemfile for the hellish deps for such old software reqs
  • about 35 cookbooks, some AWS custom, many not
  • ruby1.8 ro run chef-solo (ie.: ruby1.8 /opt/aws/opsworks/current/bin/chef-solo -j /var/lib/aws/opsworks/chef/2013-02-21-13-58-55-01.json -c /opt/aws/opsworks/current/conf/solo.rb)

Cheers,
Stef

Stephane Jourdan <sjourdan@greenalto.commailto:sjourdan@greenalto.com>
Green Alto / 10, Rue Chaptal / 34000 Montpellier, FR
+33(0)411 934 340tel:%2B33(0)411%20934%20340 / +33(0)684 531 618tel:%2B33(0)684%20531%20618

On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Jesse Campbell <hikeit@gmail.commailto:hikeit@gmail.com> wrote:
According to the amazon pages, this is built against https://github.com/peritor/chef/commits/scalarium-0.8-stable
which appears to be a fork of chef that hasn’t been updated since the middle of 2010.

I’m just going to take a gamble and say that
a) most of my company’s custom cookbooks won’t work without serious modifications
b) things like ‘search’ and ‘environments’ and ‘platform_family’ will be entirely foreign

oh yeah, and it doesn’t support centos at all, so there’s another big chunk of work.

i think i’ll stick with the nice shiny chef 11, thanks very much :smiley:

On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Morgan Blackthorne <stormerider@gmail.commailto:stormerider@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting, I’m definitely curious to hear more about it. I do a lot of AMI-based bootstrapping of Chef and it would be very interesting if there was a more integrated solution where I could assign the role at say… boot time, or via autoscaling/etc.


~~ StormeRider ~~

“Every world needs its heroes […] They inspire us to be better than we are. And they protect from the darkness that’s just around the corner.”

(from Smallville Season 6x1: “Zod”)

On why I hate the phrase “that’s so lame”… http://bit.ly/Ps3uSS

On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 9:06 AM, John Martinez <john@johnmartinez.commailto:john@johnmartinez.com> wrote:
We have a similar workflow, but using Hosted Chef. OpsWorks looks very interesting, but I’m not sure if it’s a replacement for Jenkins+CFN+Chef the way we’ve set things up. I’ll be playing more with it when it’s available, that’s for sure!

-john

On Feb 20, 2013, at 8:51 AM, Peter Norton <pn+chef-list@knewton.commailto:pn+chef-list@knewton.com> wrote:

OpsWorks is so similar to what we ended up building for ourselves using cloudformation and chef-solo that I wish we’d waited. We already have a practice of downloading a small tarball that chef-solo will use to download the appropriate bundle and run the roles we’ve defined there, including registering with a chef server. This is really promising.

On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Christopher Brown <cb@opscode.commailto:cb@opscode.com> wrote:
Just to allay people’s fears and maybe stem the tide of speculation, we’ve worked with Amazon off-and-on a few times and have some involvement with OpsWorks.
There will probably be more visible press soon, as we get closer to #ChefConf 2013 (http://chefconf.opscode.com/). I’ll make sure the press and marketing team shed some light on this.

Cheers,
Chris

From: JJ Asghar <jj.asghar@peopleadmin.commailto:jj.asghar@peopleadmin.com>
Reply-To: "chef@lists.opscode.commailto:chef@lists.opscode.com" <chef@lists.opscode.commailto:chef@lists.opscode.com>
Date: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 8:33 AM
To: "chef@lists.opscode.commailto:chef@lists.opscode.com" <chef@lists.opscode.commailto:chef@lists.opscode.com>
Subject: [chef] Re: Peoples’ thoughts on Amazon AWS OpsWorks?

They had a twitter post about it.

No press release that I’ve seen yet :frowning:

Best Regards,
JJ Asghar
e: jj.asghar@peopleadmin.commailto:jj.asghar@peopleadmin.com | c: 512.619.0722tel:512.619.0722 | o: 512.977.5876tel:512.977.5876

From: Denis Haskin <denis@constantorbit.commailto:denis@constantorbit.com>
Reply-To: "chef@lists.opscode.commailto:chef@lists.opscode.com" <chef@lists.opscode.commailto:chef@lists.opscode.com>
Date: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 10:20 AM
To: chef <chef@lists.opscode.commailto:chef@lists.opscode.com>
Subject: [chef] Peoples’ thoughts on Amazon AWS OpsWorks?

“Since AWS OpsWorks uses Chef recipes, you can leverage hundreds of community-built configurations such as PostgreSQL, Nginx, and Solr.”

This is apparently based on Scalarium, from AWS’ Peritor acquisition. Interesting discussion at ycombinator: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5243196

Haven’t really dug into it yet. Surprised nothing from OpsCode about it.


Denis Haskin


#13

for those interested, I opened a discussion on the subject here on the
OpsWorks AWS forum:
https://forums.aws.amazon.com/thread.jspa?threadID=117400

Cheers,
Stef

On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Christopher Brown cb@opscode.com wrote:

Good to hear that. We also think there’s lots of opportunity here, and
the current distance between the Chef underlying OpsWorks (older version
based on solo) and modern server-based Chef (Hosted or otherwise) could be
confusing and certainly isn’t as powerful. We’d like to raise that bar for
everyone. Let me know if you need any help if you engage in discussion on
the forums.

Cheers,
Chris

From: Stéphane Jourdan sjourdan@greenalto.com
Reply-To: "chef@lists.opscode.com" chef@lists.opscode.com
Date: Thursday, February 21, 2013 7:18 AM
To: "chef@lists.opscode.com" chef@lists.opscode.com
Subject: [chef] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Peoples’ thoughts on
Amazon AWS OpsWorks?

That would be great, I think a more modern OpsWorks and a much better
integration with Chef (hosted or not) could be a real winner or at least
interest another kind of users than the ones already currently using Chef
or even EC2.

So I’ll take a look at what’s said on the AWS forums !

Stephane

On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 4:10 PM, Christopher Brown cb@opscode.comwrote:

We plan to work with Amazon on this support, but expressing your
opinions and concerns directly to them would help as well. If you want to
see better & more modern Chef support in OpsWork, let Amazon know on their
AWS forums and we’ll circle back with them.

Thanks,
Chris

From: Stéphane Jourdan sjourdan@greenalto.com
Reply-To: "chef@lists.opscode.com" chef@lists.opscode.com
Date: Thursday, February 21, 2013 7:00 AM
To: "chef@lists.opscode.com" chef@lists.opscode.com
Subject: [chef] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Peoples’ thoughts on Amazon
AWS OpsWorks?

Hi,

I confirm it’s running a 0.9.15.3 fork of chef from Peritor, last updated
2 years ago.
Deployed cookbooks from Opscode looks quite dated too (think of a 0.9
Apache cookbook for example).

I’m still experimenting but am somewhat disappointed for my usage.

For those who wonder, you get

  • an equivalent of a standard chef-repo,
  • versionned by date and symlinked to “current” for usage.
  • a Gemfile for the hellish deps for such old software reqs
  • about 35 cookbooks, some AWS custom, many not
  • ruby1.8 ro run chef-solo (ie.: ruby1.8
    /opt/aws/opsworks/current/bin/chef-solo -j
    /var/lib/aws/opsworks/chef/2013-02-21-13-58-55-01.json -c
    /opt/aws/opsworks/current/conf/solo.rb
    )

Cheers,
Stef

Stephane Jourdan sjourdan@greenalto.com
Green Alto / 10, Rue Chaptal / 34000 Montpellier, FR
+33(0)411 934 340 / +33(0)684 531 618

On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Jesse Campbell hikeit@gmail.com wrote:

According to the amazon pages, this is built against
https://github.com/peritor/chef/commits/scalarium-0.8-stable
which appears to be a fork of chef that hasn’t been updated since the
middle of 2010.

I’m just going to take a gamble and say that
a) most of my company’s custom cookbooks won’t work without serious
modifications
b) things like ‘search’ and ‘environments’ and ‘platform_family’ will
be entirely foreign

oh yeah, and it doesn’t support centos at all, so there’s another big
chunk of work.

i think i’ll stick with the nice shiny chef 11, thanks very much :smiley:

On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Morgan Blackthorne <
stormerider@gmail.com> wrote:

Interesting, I’m definitely curious to hear more about it. I do a lot
of AMI-based bootstrapping of Chef and it would be very interesting if
there was a more integrated solution where I could assign the role at
say… boot time, or via autoscaling/etc.


~~ StormeRider ~~

“Every world needs its heroes […] They inspire us to be better than
we are. And they protect from the darkness that’s just around the corner.”

(from Smallville Season 6x1: “Zod”)

On why I hate the phrase “that’s so lame”… http://bit.ly/Ps3uSS

On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 9:06 AM, John Martinez john@johnmartinez.comwrote:

We have a similar workflow, but using Hosted Chef. OpsWorks looks
very interesting, but I’m not sure if it’s a replacement for
Jenkins+CFN+Chef the way we’ve set things up. I’ll be playing more with it
when it’s available, that’s for sure!

-john

On Feb 20, 2013, at 8:51 AM, Peter Norton pn+chef-list@knewton.com
wrote:

OpsWorks is so similar to what we ended up building for ourselves
using cloudformation and chef-solo that I wish we’d waited. We already
have a practice of downloading a small tarball that chef-solo will use to
download the appropriate bundle and run the roles we’ve defined there,
including registering with a chef server. This is really promising.

On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Christopher Brown cb@opscode.comwrote:

Just to allay people’s fears and maybe stem the tide of
speculation, we’ve worked with Amazon off-and-on a few times and have some
involvement with OpsWorks.
There will probably be more visible press soon, as we get closer to
#ChefConf 2013 (http://chefconf.opscode.com/). I’ll make sure the
press and marketing team shed some light on this.

Cheers,
Chris

From: JJ Asghar jj.asghar@peopleadmin.com
Reply-To: "chef@lists.opscode.com" chef@lists.opscode.com
Date: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 8:33 AM
To: "chef@lists.opscode.com" chef@lists.opscode.com
Subject: [chef] Re: Peoples’ thoughts on Amazon AWS OpsWorks?

They had a twitter post about it.

No press release that I’ve seen yet :frowning:

Best Regards,
JJ Asghar
e: jj.asghar@peopleadmin.com | c: 512.619.0722 | o: 512.977.5876

From: Denis Haskin denis@constantorbit.com
Reply-To: "chef@lists.opscode.com" chef@lists.opscode.com
Date: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 10:20 AM
To: chef chef@lists.opscode.com
Subject: [chef] Peoples’ thoughts on Amazon AWS OpsWorks?

“Since AWS OpsWorks uses Chef recipes, you can leverage hundreds
of community-built configurations such as PostgreSQL, Nginx, and Solr.”

https://aws.amazon.com/opsworks/

This is apparently based on Scalarium, from AWS’ Peritor acquisition.
Interesting discussion at ycombinator:
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5243196

Haven’t really dug into it yet. Surprised nothing from OpsCode
about it.


Denis Haskin